Access to Trigpoints
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Fen Runner
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Access to Trigpoints
Can landowners/farmers stop access to trigpoints if say, they are in the middle of a field or you have to walk a farm road to access?
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agentmancuso
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Re: Access to Trigpoints
Legally, the situation varies considerably depending on what country you're in. But the law is a poor guide; England, notoriously, remains mired in feudal superstition about 'private property'.
Better to think in terms of material consequences; trampling standing crops to access a trig would be selfish and destructive, whereas crossing pasture would generally do no harm whatsoever.
As with so much else in life, the best policy is to plan ahead, keep a low profile, and be (initially) polite to anyone you meet.
Disclaimer: this is a personal view & in no way representative of T:UK or its affiliates
Better to think in terms of material consequences; trampling standing crops to access a trig would be selfish and destructive, whereas crossing pasture would generally do no harm whatsoever.
As with so much else in life, the best policy is to plan ahead, keep a low profile, and be (initially) polite to anyone you meet.
Disclaimer: this is a personal view & in no way representative of T:UK or its affiliates
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clochandighter
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Re: Access to Trigpoints
ACCESS RIGHTS TO OPEN LAND.
Most of the British countryside is privately owned, but that does not prohibit access onto open land by the general public on foot. The act of 'trespass' is not illegal, it is just used as a dirty word by certain factions in society, particularly some of those who own more that their fair share of our planet's surface.
Open land is exactly that regardless of who owns it, most landowners accept that and are happy for visitors to use it for reasonable recreational use such as walking, photography, enjoying views etc.
In return the public should observe the country code. Basic common sense examples include: Leave gates as you find them, don't drop litter, don't scare livestock, avoid trampling crops, no fires, no excessive noise. Leave only footprints, take only photographs.
However a small minority of the landowning fraternity, the farmers' unions and the like still need to accept that legal access entitlement. Open land is open to all - except where a court order has been served against specifically named persons legally banning them from a stated location or area.
Small domestic gardens and gated yards should be avoided unless they are the only means of access to open land, in such situations, permission to use the through route is best sought.
Other exceptions are: MoD and railway / aviation ground where unauthorised access will result in prosecution for breaches of security or safety.
I should summarise by adding: I am Scottish and live in Scotland. But when I visit England, I bring Scottish Law with me. We are (still) one nation after all. I am more relaxed with the more modern approach we Scots have to outdoor access. If anybody out there squeals at me "You wouldn't like it if we came and trampled all over your garden", like most Scots I live in a flat, despite having worked hard all my days and continuing to do so to make ends meet. So that argument is wasted with me.
Good luck,
G.
Most of the British countryside is privately owned, but that does not prohibit access onto open land by the general public on foot. The act of 'trespass' is not illegal, it is just used as a dirty word by certain factions in society, particularly some of those who own more that their fair share of our planet's surface.
Open land is exactly that regardless of who owns it, most landowners accept that and are happy for visitors to use it for reasonable recreational use such as walking, photography, enjoying views etc.
In return the public should observe the country code. Basic common sense examples include: Leave gates as you find them, don't drop litter, don't scare livestock, avoid trampling crops, no fires, no excessive noise. Leave only footprints, take only photographs.
However a small minority of the landowning fraternity, the farmers' unions and the like still need to accept that legal access entitlement. Open land is open to all - except where a court order has been served against specifically named persons legally banning them from a stated location or area.
Small domestic gardens and gated yards should be avoided unless they are the only means of access to open land, in such situations, permission to use the through route is best sought.
Other exceptions are: MoD and railway / aviation ground where unauthorised access will result in prosecution for breaches of security or safety.
I should summarise by adding: I am Scottish and live in Scotland. But when I visit England, I bring Scottish Law with me. We are (still) one nation after all. I am more relaxed with the more modern approach we Scots have to outdoor access. If anybody out there squeals at me "You wouldn't like it if we came and trampled all over your garden", like most Scots I live in a flat, despite having worked hard all my days and continuing to do so to make ends meet. So that argument is wasted with me.
Good luck,
G.
Re: Access to Trigpoints
I fully agree with the preceding replies concerning access.
From an English perspective I'd add that on farmland, once off
rights of way or areas of permissive access, its better to
keep to field edges where possible, use gates and avoid
wall-climbing even if this extends the trespass. If the
landowner is encountered, be polite, explain the reason for being
there and leave if asked to do so (but in my experience, thats
rare - more often the explanation will be considered a bit
odd, but harmless).
EAFP: Easier to ask for forgiveness than permission
From an English perspective I'd add that on farmland, once off
rights of way or areas of permissive access, its better to
keep to field edges where possible, use gates and avoid
wall-climbing even if this extends the trespass. If the
landowner is encountered, be polite, explain the reason for being
there and leave if asked to do so (but in my experience, thats
rare - more often the explanation will be considered a bit
odd, but harmless).
EAFP: Easier to ask for forgiveness than permission